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RBogan
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Post by RBogan » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:37 pm

support wrote:2. The post refering to IWAM_COMPUTER etc not likely to resolve the COM+ error nor to address the issues with the MMC.

3. The "419" permission error is most likely the result of a security update released by MS last thursday: http://www.microsoft.com/security/secur ... 03-039.asp This would explain why systems that were working have suddenly started experiencing issues. We are also validating this.
Regarding #2...The solution worked for me...since applying the steps in my other thread...I haven't seen the COM surrogate errors again.

Regarding #3...I uninstalled that security bulletin hotfix (ms03-039) and I still have the 419 error in ME. Unless the hotfix changed something it was unable to reverse with uninstalling, the hotfix was irrelevant to ME's problems.

Later,

RBogan
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Post by RBogan » Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:29 pm

What's the latest?

I'm afraid I'm going to have to purchase another product unless this issue is able to be resolved QUICKLY. I can't penalize my hosted domains because of my choice of email software.

Please let me know a realistic and educated estimate as to when this might be cleared up. Or, if you guys have no idea...please tell me that...so I can move to something else!

Thanks,

kdehl113
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Post by kdehl113 » Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:39 pm

I'm with RBogan, I would like an answer to this problem quickly. I don't want to pay for software that has this type of problem. Here's a look at how I installed ME.

Loaded server w/ 2003 web edition
Downloaded newest patches
configured DNS and IIS
installed ME on the D Drive under a website other than default.

Not sure if this will be any help, but there it is.

Kevin

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Post by AlertServ » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:47 am

Add some of my customers to the list. It seems the Helm Control Panel has no problems with it. Just the MMC. (I never install the Web Admin portion since we are using a control panel.)

I sent support an e-mail so they can access some production servers if they would like.
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Post by ccaldwell » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:57 am

Support is working on resolving this issue as soon as possible. They have identidied the problem as a com issue but need time diagnose why the errors are happening. I'm in the same boat all of you are in. lets give them a little more time to fix this before everyone abandons the software. Microsoft has gone patch crazy as of late but with good reason. With that said its bound to break something somewhere. My suggestion is to bring up another server running 2K and export your domians and mailboxes to the new 2k server then upgrade to W2k3 when they have a fix. Thanks.

ccaldwell

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Post by Guest » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:44 am

Yea-- no sh*t. Chill people. Try <<testing>> your updates and upgrades before moving them into production. If you don't, be willing to deal w/ the results.

Ease up on MailEnable. I'm sure they won't cry if you don't spend the whopping $175 on their product. Good luck finding a better product for that price. MailEnable has provided a phenomenal product and they fix their bugs.

Cut them some slack. WinServer2003 is a pain in the ass anyway w/ MS locking adopting such a stringent security model. Don't get me wrong-- it's <great>, but it's <new>.

Sh*t happens-- give them time to fix it. What? Your customers are screaming at you? Roll back your updates! What? You can't? TFB! It's a good lesson in managing production environments! <<TEST YOUR CHANGES FIRST!!!>>

With love!

RBogan
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Post by RBogan » Fri Oct 03, 2003 7:40 am

Wow...go figure...an anonymous user pretending to be a tough guy...

It's almost laugh-out-loud funny.

Of course...the jerkoff fails to remember one critical element that makes this whole thing disgusting...

Yeah...Windows 2003 is new...but guess what? ME worked fine for about 3 weeks for me...then just stopped. I'd say the problem is not with Microsoft. But then, how many uninformed cliche moron jackasses on the internet leap to blame Microsoft for all their problems? Answer = too many.

Next time you post your "all important" opinion...do me a favor...OWN IT. Put your name to it...you'll be much more credible...however...you'll still make me laugh.

I'm not going to engage someone such as yourself, who obviously need to focus to breathe, in an irrelevant discussion about ME...when it's clear you fail to see the frustration behind this issue (the fact it just mysteriously stopped working ring a bell?).

Save your keystrokes if you have nothing constructive to offer.

So...who's with me? Do we think the "guest" is just a jackass...or is it a 11-year old playing on daddy's computer? Whatever it is...I don't think we're deserving of its abusive tone.

Maybe one day your balls will drop and you'll become courageous enough to put your name with your attacks...until then...kindly shut the hell up you tremendous idiot. Back away from the keyboard and leave the computing to the adults.

Another perfect example of why there should be I.Q. tests for those wanting to use a computer. There are just too many mouth-breathers in the land of internet forums. 99.9% of these jerkoffs would NEVER say these things to my face...especially the ones that can't even OWN their statements online!

Feel free to come at me all you want in private messages...but damn it...don't pollute these forums with such ignorance. People like yourself can go straight to hell for all I care.

Now...I return this thread to its original intent...that is...finding a solution for the 419 error.

Incidentally...when this thread was STARTED...it wasn't made clear that this problem was LIMITED to just Windows 2003 servers...again..a minor detail that escapes our resident Village Idiot "Guest".

To that village idiot...I got your production environment hanging...

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Post by cassius » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:34 pm

No need to go off on the guy, whoever he is. He made some valid points. As for you saying he missed that the problem only exists on win2k3 servers, no he didn't -- he suggested at one point that you make a win2k server to do everything until they fix this problem then put it back on win2k3. Guess you didn't read his post as well as you thought, eh?

Whether he does or not, *I* understand your frustration. But I also think, no matter how much better it makes you feel, that this isn't the place for a flame war.
Another perfect example of why there should be I.Q. tests for those wanting to use a computer.
No, another perfect example of why they should have moderators for this board to delete posts like yours that serve no purposes except for inflammatory ones.

Pollute forums with such ignorance? The ONE and ONLY things he had bad to say about you was that you should have used a test environment for ME on a win2k3 server (relatively new os) instead of going straight to production. He was inaccurate because he probably didn't realize you had it working for 3 weeks before this happened, but still that was the only thing he was saying.

And how many bad things did you have to say about him? Ten? Twenty? And how many of them were personal attacks? Which one of you needs to reexamine your behavior, sir?
but damn it...don't pollute these forums with such ignorance.
Take your own advice, chode.

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Post by RBogan » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:49 pm

I'm pretty sure if I have to work to feel concern about someone's opinion...it's hardly worth the effort ;) Need I say more?

lol

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Post by cassius » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:54 pm

His or mine?

I'm sure he didn't care if you were concerned about his opinion, nor am I, really. People like us just offer constructive criticism when there is an opportunity (and we try to take criticism graciously as well, so that everyone involved can learn and grow)... it's a fact of life that some people just can't take criticism. We kind of half expect that, so it's no surprise in this case either.

But that's the last I'm going to say on the matter, because this thread has been thoroughly derailed and really isn't very constructive. I hope you guys get your 419 errors fixed.

RBogan
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Post by RBogan » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:08 pm

cassius wrote:His or mine?

I'm sure he didn't care if you were concerned about his opinion, nor am I, really. People like us just offer constructive criticism when there is an opportunity (and we try to take criticism graciously as well, so that everyone involved can learn and grow)... it's a fact of life that some people just can't take criticism. We kind of half expect that, so it's no surprise in this case either.

But that's the last I'm going to say on the matter, because this thread has been thoroughly derailed and really isn't very constructive. I hope you guys get your 419 errors fixed.
So then...calling someone a "chode" is constructive?

I'll take any criticism that's valid...but if you're too ignorant to have your facts straight when you come at me...you need to be prepared for some very deserved defense in your direction. I'll deal with people on whatever level they wish.

Valid criticism is an entirely different animal..and if you think about it...why would you criticize someone trying to get help? Answer? You have no life.

Honestly dude...get outside some...go throw the ball around. Call a friend. Go to a movie. Short of all that...get off my ass. You want to act elite? Go fix the grammar problems on your website...then pretend to be bigtime. Until then...just shut up unless you have a solution.

I won't be holding my breath for you.

kdehl113
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Post by kdehl113 » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:10 pm

I agree with RBogan, and mine is currently a TEST server. I would like to put in production ASAP though. I am using web edition, so upgrading from 2k isn't an option, no need to spend more on software than need be.

I think that ME has been cut some slack, but should at least keep the forum upto date on their findings. Others may have tried similar approaches to fixing with no luck.

Kevin

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Post by RBogan » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:16 pm

kdehl113 wrote:I agree with RBogan, and mine is currently a TEST server. I would like to put in production ASAP though. I am using web edition, so upgrading from 2k isn't an option, no need to spend more on software than need be.

I think that ME has been cut some slack, but should at least keep the forum upto date on their findings. Others may have tried similar approaches to fixing with no luck.

Kevin
Yeah...I just cant figure out why it worked for a while and just stopped.

I've reverted things back to pre-hotfix stages...to no avail.

I've reinstalled ME without success.

<shakes head>

I just...don't know...

Guest

Post by Guest » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:31 pm

Kids, kids, kids. <<RELAX>>

Code doesn't just mysteriously start acting differently. It does what you tell it to do, plain and simple. Crying that MailEnable's code just "broke" out of the blue it is a Tell Tale sign of a rookie/armature (note, there is NO negative tone here).

This is a fact: something changed. Period. Now, once you get your head wrapped around that concept, examine what might have changed on your environment. MailEnable suggests that the ms03-039 patch may have broken their code and that they are validating it.
3. The "419" permission error is most likely the result of a security update released by MS last Thursday: http://www.microsoft.com/security/secur ... 03-039.asp This would explain why systems that were working have suddenly started experiencing issues. We are also validating this.
I'm not saying that Microsoft's code doesn't work. Quit the opposite, actually- I'm a huge MS supporter; they have the best products on the market right now. The patch could very well have broken ME's code or their security model. That's ME's problem to deal with and they are in fact dealing with it, so cut them some slack.

My point was this and this alone: test every single change that you make to a production environment. If you chose not to, that's fine-- just be prepared to live with the consequences.

Finally, before you go off on another 500 word temper tantrum, RBogan, I'm sure you're a great IT person. If you feel that my suggestion to test things before implementing them was a personal insult to you, them I'm sorry. Here, in fact, let me give you a hug. <<HUGG>> There. It’s alright. Everything is better.

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Post by RBogan » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:56 pm

See if you can grasp these statements...yet again...

1) ME was tested for a period of two weeks (on a test server) and yet another week on the production server before rolling it out to our clients on that production server. Should we have tested longer? I don't think so. ME was working quite well. For all intents and purposes, we determined it was stable. Here's another hint for you...things break in production environments all the time. How long is a sufficient test period? My answer is until you feel confident in the application. We saw no errors, and had absolutely no problems with ME Pro before going live. Anyone reasonable would have determined it was safe to proceed.

2) Your mistake #1? Assuming we didn't test before rolling out the app.

3) As ME stopped working in our production environment...and very little changed (aside from MS Hotfix rollouts). We, given our own knowledge of software environments (and before heading here with our issues), reverted back to pre-hotfix conditions on our production server. Seeing as though uninstalling the Hotfixes didn't fix the issue, we chose the next logical step...head to these forums...research the issue...and possibly receive a resolution. As someone else had posted the exact same issue (a few months before the "culprit" MS Hotfix was EVER available to the public), I found comfort in the fact that at least one other soul had the same 419 issue. Thus, I posted in this thread with a newer instance of a similar issue.

4) Your mistake #2? Assuming we didn't troubleshoot before coming to this forum for a response.

5) Your mistake #3? You assumed ME support is correct in their statement that ms03-039 had any effect at all on their application. The simple fact of the matter is...the 419 error existed long before ms03-039 was a download. Check the date of the original post in this thread...compare that to the date on ms03-039. Surprised? I thought you might be. I'm not convinced ME's response is correct. The facts of this issue seem to show otherwise.

6) Your mistake #4? Taking a condescending attitude towards someone while being completely ignorant of their entire position and process. This is the most offensive part of the whole thing. Of course, you won't care about this...and I sure don't need you to...I'm just saying be prepared to be countered if you offend someone.

Enough with the drama...let's get a damned fix for this.

Can we please return and STAY with the subject this time?

Thus...my questions for ME support...

1) If ms03-039 "broke" ME...why did the first poster have the problem long before the hotfix was available?

2) Could this have anything to do with ME Pro needing to be fully registered? Could this be a simple license issue? I'm asking because I used the product for about 3 weeks...and during this 4th week it stopped working right. Would the 419 access error be an indication (sloppy as though it may be) that my trial period was about to expire?

3) If ms03-039 broke ME...and I uninstalled the hotfix...why is ME still broken? What/where should I look to restore settings back to original states that the uninstaller was unable to complete?

Any thoughts on the TECHNICAL ISSUE at hand?

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